Comments on: Permaculture in Damaged Lands: Degradation and Restoration in New Mexico http://permaculture.org.au/2012/01/21/permaculture-in-damaged-lands-degradation-and-restoration-in-new-mexico/ Permaculture News, Commentary and Worldwide Projects. Wed, 23 May 2012 06:53:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Dan Smith http://permaculture.org.au/2012/01/21/permaculture-in-damaged-lands-degradation-and-restoration-in-new-mexico/#comment-256948 Dan Smith Tue, 31 Jan 2012 00:34:43 +0000 http://permaculture.org.au/?p=6903#comment-256948 Andrew, Rainfall in the Jordan Valley is somewhere around 120 mil-150 mil, NM is roughly twice that amount on average but sections receive only about 250. So its basically an arid-hyper arid analogy. Ampersand chose to grow only on rainfall, which was a choice. Just to be clear, Ampersand have swales and water diversion throughout their property. So, I think with unlimited funding maybe they would do a food forest, but I think there is a question over the specifics of the situation, and whether a food forest is appropriate on that landscape, in that spot of that community to consider. In that way I view GTD as an object example, demonstrating huge possibility, more than a panacea for every site. Andrew,

Rainfall in the Jordan Valley is somewhere around 120 mil-150 mil, NM is roughly twice that amount on average but sections receive only about 250. So its basically an arid-hyper arid analogy. Ampersand chose to grow only on rainfall, which was a choice. Just to be clear, Ampersand have swales and water diversion throughout their property.

So, I think with unlimited funding maybe they would do a food forest, but I think there is a question over the specifics of the situation, and whether a food forest is appropriate on that landscape, in that spot of that community to consider. In that way I view GTD as an object example, demonstrating huge possibility, more than a panacea for every site.

]]> By: Andrew http://permaculture.org.au/2012/01/21/permaculture-in-damaged-lands-degradation-and-restoration-in-new-mexico/#comment-256410 Andrew Mon, 30 Jan 2012 01:47:42 +0000 http://permaculture.org.au/?p=6903#comment-256410 Hi Dan. Very interesting article. One thing that you didn't convey, though, was why you couldn't pull another greening the desert on a site like this. What exactly is stopping you from planting lots of fruit trees, making swales, etc? Rainfall differences? I was under the impression that GTD was as desolate as they come. Hi Dan.

Very interesting article.

One thing that you didn’t convey, though, was why you couldn’t pull another greening the desert on a site like this. What exactly is stopping you from planting lots of fruit trees, making swales, etc?

Rainfall differences?

I was under the impression that GTD was as desolate as they come.

]]> By: Dan Smith http://permaculture.org.au/2012/01/21/permaculture-in-damaged-lands-degradation-and-restoration-in-new-mexico/#comment-254225 Dan Smith Tue, 24 Jan 2012 11:29:56 +0000 http://permaculture.org.au/?p=6903#comment-254225 Mihir: Ampersand has an insulated green house attached to their house. In such a set-up you can get good perennial vegetable production, depending on the size you could certainly get a very decent amount of food for a family. For any questions regarding Ampersand I would contact them through their website. Thanks for the kind words. Best, Dan Mihir: Ampersand has an insulated green house attached to their house. In such a set-up you can get good perennial vegetable production, depending on the size you could certainly get a very decent amount of food for a family.

For any questions regarding Ampersand I would contact them through their website. Thanks for the kind words.

Best,

Dan

]]> By: Helen Evans http://permaculture.org.au/2012/01/21/permaculture-in-damaged-lands-degradation-and-restoration-in-new-mexico/#comment-253069 Helen Evans Sat, 21 Jan 2012 07:14:18 +0000 http://permaculture.org.au/?p=6903#comment-253069 Thanks Dan. Interesting article. I am impressed by Amanda and Andy Bramble's work and will look at their website. I live 30 minutes drive from the Tabernas Desert in Spain which looks just like this (but rarely gets snow) The desert is expanding in this direction .... We are lucky to have a borehole for water here, pumped by solar energy, so I have more water probably, but could learn a lot from their experiences. Thanks again for putting this item up. Thanks Dan. Interesting article. I am impressed by Amanda and Andy Bramble’s work and will look at their website. I live 30 minutes drive from the Tabernas Desert in Spain which looks just like this (but rarely gets snow) The desert is expanding in this direction ….

We are lucky to have a borehole for water here, pumped by solar energy, so I have more water probably, but could learn a lot from their experiences. Thanks again for putting this item up.

]]> By: Mihir http://permaculture.org.au/2012/01/21/permaculture-in-damaged-lands-degradation-and-restoration-in-new-mexico/#comment-252808 Mihir Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:27:47 +0000 http://permaculture.org.au/?p=6903#comment-252808 A great article. The exhilaration that I feel cannot be described in words. Once again a feel very confident in the permaculture design methods. Also I salute Amanda and Andy Bramble for their heroic efforts. I guess such people will be remembered as great pioneers just like the way early colonizers are considered now. Whenever I see a green patch of fruit or vegetables in such desert I feel this great emotion that I cannot describe in words. Thanks for posting this. Also I think that a single family requires a large area in such a landscape just to have sufficient food and an even larger area to produce enough things so as to earn sufficient money for their living. Can I know how much land is under the project? A great article. The exhilaration that I feel cannot be described in words. Once again a feel very confident in the permaculture design methods. Also I salute Amanda and Andy Bramble for their heroic efforts. I guess such people will be remembered as great pioneers just like the way early colonizers are considered now. Whenever I see a green patch of fruit or vegetables in such desert I feel this great emotion that I cannot describe in words. Thanks for posting this.

Also I think that a single family requires a large area in such a landscape just to have sufficient food and an even larger area to produce enough things so as to earn sufficient money for their living. Can I know how much land is under the project?

]]> By: risa http://permaculture.org.au/2012/01/21/permaculture-in-damaged-lands-degradation-and-restoration-in-new-mexico/#comment-252804 risa Fri, 20 Jan 2012 17:15:41 +0000 http://permaculture.org.au/?p=6903#comment-252804 Wonderful post. I would test that rainwater for cesium, though. Wonderful post. I would test that rainwater for cesium, though.

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