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	<title>Comments on: Recycling with the Keep America Beautiful Man &#8211; and the Hidden Life of Garbage</title>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/08/24/recycling-with-the-keep-america-beautiful-man-and-the-hidden-life-of-garbage/#comment-55257</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Oct 2010 14:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- TED Talk: Turning Off the Plastic Pollution Faucet (Video): http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/ted-talk-turning-off-the-plastic-pollution-faucet-video.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- TED Talk: Turning Off the Plastic Pollution Faucet (Video): <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/ted-talk-turning-off-the-plastic-pollution-faucet-video.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/ted-talk-turning-off-the-plastic-pollution-faucet-video.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/08/24/recycling-with-the-keep-america-beautiful-man-and-the-hidden-life-of-garbage/#comment-54664</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Oct 2010 09:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Russian Woman Builds House of 5,000 Glass Bottles: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/russian-woman-5000-glass-bottle-house.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Russian Woman Builds House of 5,000 Glass Bottles: <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/russian-woman-5000-glass-bottle-house.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/russian-woman-5000-glass-bottle-house.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/08/24/recycling-with-the-keep-america-beautiful-man-and-the-hidden-life-of-garbage/#comment-54462</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Another Reason To Love Reuse: It Creates Lots of Jobs: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/graph-of-the-day-recycling-bull.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Another Reason To Love Reuse: It Creates Lots of Jobs: <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/graph-of-the-day-recycling-bull.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/graph-of-the-day-recycling-bull.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/08/24/recycling-with-the-keep-america-beautiful-man-and-the-hidden-life-of-garbage/#comment-54460</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Oct 2010 07:37:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Americans Own More Gadgets Than Ever. So Why Are Recycling Numbers So Low?: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/americans-own-more-gadgets-than-ever-so-why-are-recycling-numbers-so-low.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Americans Own More Gadgets Than Ever. So Why Are Recycling Numbers So Low?: <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/americans-own-more-gadgets-than-ever-so-why-are-recycling-numbers-so-low.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.treehugger.com/files/2010/10/americans-own-more-gadgets-than-ever-so-why-are-recycling-numbers-so-low.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/08/24/recycling-with-the-keep-america-beautiful-man-and-the-hidden-life-of-garbage/#comment-54289</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:19:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Awesome Textile Recycler is a New Take on the Pasta Machine: http://inhabitat.com/2010/09/28/awesome-textile-recycler-is-a-new-take-on-the-pasta-machine/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>- Awesome Textile Recycler is a New Take on the Pasta Machine: <a href="http://inhabitat.com/2010/09/28/awesome-textile-recycler-is-a-new-take-on-the-pasta-machine/" rel="nofollow">http://inhabitat.com/2010/09/28/awesome-textile-recycler-is-a-new-take-on-the-pasta-machine/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/08/24/recycling-with-the-keep-america-beautiful-man-and-the-hidden-life-of-garbage/#comment-54286</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Oct 2010 04:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>- Upcycled Furniture Designs by Hendzel+Hunt: http://inhabitat.com/2010/10/04/made-in-peckham-upcycled-furniture-designs-by-hendzelhunt/</description>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/08/24/recycling-with-the-keep-america-beautiful-man-and-the-hidden-life-of-garbage/#comment-53981</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Sep 2010 18:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Book of Rubbish Ideas: http://www.groovygreen.com/groove/?p=4066</description>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/08/24/recycling-with-the-keep-america-beautiful-man-and-the-hidden-life-of-garbage/#comment-52504</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Sep 2010 19:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In 1972, Naess made a presentation in Bucharest at the Third World Future Research Conference. In his talk, he discussed the longer-range background of the ecology movement and its concern with an ethic respecting nature and the inherent worth of other beings. As a mountaineer who had climbed all over the world, Naess had enjoyed the opportunity to observe political and social activism in diverse cultures. Both historically and in the contemporary movement, Naess saw two different forms of environmentalism, not necessarily incompatible with each other. One he called the &quot;long-range deep ecology movement&quot; and the other, the &quot;shallow ecology movement.&quot; The word &quot;deep&quot; in part referred to the level of questioning of our purposes and values when arguing in environmental conflicts. The &quot;deep&quot; movement involves deep questioning, right down to fundamental root causes. The short-term, shallow approach stops before the ultimate level of fundamental change, often promoting technological fixes (e.g. recycling, increased automotive efficiency, export-driven monocultural organic agriculture) based on the same consumption-oriented values and methods of the industrial economy. The long-range deep approach involves redesigning our whole systems based on values and methods that truly preserve the ecological and cultural diversity of natural systems.&quot;

See: http://www.deepecology.org/movement.htm

I should say the Keep America Beautiful Man is a rather shallow guy, not a deep ecologist at all. Like most of these so called &quot;technology optimists&quot; are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In 1972, Naess made a presentation in Bucharest at the Third World Future Research Conference. In his talk, he discussed the longer-range background of the ecology movement and its concern with an ethic respecting nature and the inherent worth of other beings. As a mountaineer who had climbed all over the world, Naess had enjoyed the opportunity to observe political and social activism in diverse cultures. Both historically and in the contemporary movement, Naess saw two different forms of environmentalism, not necessarily incompatible with each other. One he called the &#8220;long-range deep ecology movement&#8221; and the other, the &#8220;shallow ecology movement.&#8221; The word &#8220;deep&#8221; in part referred to the level of questioning of our purposes and values when arguing in environmental conflicts. The &#8220;deep&#8221; movement involves deep questioning, right down to fundamental root causes. The short-term, shallow approach stops before the ultimate level of fundamental change, often promoting technological fixes (e.g. recycling, increased automotive efficiency, export-driven monocultural organic agriculture) based on the same consumption-oriented values and methods of the industrial economy. The long-range deep approach involves redesigning our whole systems based on values and methods that truly preserve the ecological and cultural diversity of natural systems.&#8221;</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.deepecology.org/movement.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.deepecology.org/movement.htm</a></p>
<p>I should say the Keep America Beautiful Man is a rather shallow guy, not a deep ecologist at all. Like most of these so called &#8220;technology optimists&#8221; are.</p>
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		<title>By: Arian I.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Arian I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:34:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One man&#039;s trash is another man&#039;s treasure.

In nature, there is no such thing as &quot;trash&quot;. Just objects &amp; substances that are most useful only in the right place &amp; time. Human fecal material might be worthless to those that produce it, but for earthworms, beetles, and fungi, it is a valuable commodity ^^

&quot;Craig, all the talk of new “green” buildings mainly mean filling up the houses with new technology so advanced that you need extremely expensive “experts” to sustain them, with expensive service agreements, expensive reserve parts etc, etc.&quot; [end quote]

And to add to that, what would be so &quot;green&quot; about consumer technologies that, while using less electricity than older counterparts, require exotic minerals that must be strip-mined from the earth - thus causing widespread environmental damage in the process?

Sounds to me like a repeat of the &quot;Green Revolution&quot; of Norman Borlaug and co. What was supposed to be a giant leap forward only turned out to be a humongous leap backward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One man&#8217;s trash is another man&#8217;s treasure.</p>
<p>In nature, there is no such thing as &#8220;trash&#8221;. Just objects &amp; substances that are most useful only in the right place &amp; time. Human fecal material might be worthless to those that produce it, but for earthworms, beetles, and fungi, it is a valuable commodity ^^</p>
<p>&#8220;Craig, all the talk of new “green” buildings mainly mean filling up the houses with new technology so advanced that you need extremely expensive “experts” to sustain them, with expensive service agreements, expensive reserve parts etc, etc.&#8221; [end quote]</p>
<p>And to add to that, what would be so &#8220;green&#8221; about consumer technologies that, while using less electricity than older counterparts, require exotic minerals that must be strip-mined from the earth &#8211; thus causing widespread environmental damage in the process?</p>
<p>Sounds to me like a repeat of the &#8220;Green Revolution&#8221; of Norman Borlaug and co. What was supposed to be a giant leap forward only turned out to be a humongous leap backward.</p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Aug 2010 16:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, all the talk of new &quot;green&quot; buildings mainly mean filling up the houses with new technology so advanced that you need extremely expensive “experts” to sustain them, with expensive service agreements, expensive reserve parts etc, etc. 

The most sustainable is to use natural ventilation, natural moisture regulation materials, heat accumulating materials etc. But the construction industry shies these natural techniques, as they cannot earn anything extra from them. F. ex. here they try to prohibit natural ventilation, which not can break down, doesn’t need service agreements, reserve parts, no noise or ultra sound, and that doesn’t destroy the ion balance: 

http://www.jamesgoulding.com/Research_II/Odlyzko/Odlyzko%20%28Resources%29.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, all the talk of new &#8220;green&#8221; buildings mainly mean filling up the houses with new technology so advanced that you need extremely expensive “experts” to sustain them, with expensive service agreements, expensive reserve parts etc, etc. </p>
<p>The most sustainable is to use natural ventilation, natural moisture regulation materials, heat accumulating materials etc. But the construction industry shies these natural techniques, as they cannot earn anything extra from them. F. ex. here they try to prohibit natural ventilation, which not can break down, doesn’t need service agreements, reserve parts, no noise or ultra sound, and that doesn’t destroy the ion balance: </p>
<p><a href="http://www.jamesgoulding.com/Research_II/Odlyzko/Odlyzko%20%28Resources%29.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.jamesgoulding.com/Research_II/Odlyzko/Odlyzko%20%28Resources%29.pdf</a></p>
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