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	<title>Comments on: 10 Reasons to Go Organic&#8230; beyond being trendy&#8230;.</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick Blampied</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-69707</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Blampied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 13:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jules, thanks for pointing out the weakness of point 5 but can I be clear these aren&#039;t  my comments as you&#039;ve stated, they are verbatim from the poster I mention at the start of the article. 

As for the credibility of this article, I wasn&#039;t debating organic vs GM, it was commentary about changes I see, the transition period and positivity despite constantly depressing news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jules, thanks for pointing out the weakness of point 5 but can I be clear these aren&#8217;t  my comments as you&#8217;ve stated, they are verbatim from the poster I mention at the start of the article. </p>
<p>As for the credibility of this article, I wasn&#8217;t debating organic vs GM, it was commentary about changes I see, the transition period and positivity despite constantly depressing news.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-69682</link>
		<dc:creator>Jules</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Feb 2011 07:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;About 99% of non-organic farm animals in the UK are now fed GM soya. And there has never been a reported case of BSE in organic cattle in the UK. Common sense says that organic is safe food.&quot; 

WTF???

This is the sort of statement that really annoys me.

For a start it doesn&#039;t make sense. The three sentences are completely unrelated.

99% of cattle in the UK are fed GM Soya... So what??? Is there any evidence to suggest this is damaging to them or to humans, if so here would have been a good place to provide it. 

But no, you then say that no organic cattle have ever tested positive for BSE, well fair enough but what does that have to do with GM feed. Anyone with half a brain knows that BSE (mad cow disease or its human variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease) was contracted by cattle being fed the remains of other cattle in the form of meat and bone meal. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with GM crops. The majority of cases of BSE were detected in the EU before GM feed was available. In fact countries, such as the US, that had a plentiful supply of soya bean feed(and other grain feed - gm or otherwise) that was cheaper than feeds derived from animals, were shown to have a much lower incidence of BSE, despite the feeding of ruminant meal to other ruminants not being illegal.

So from two completely unrelated statements you then say &#039;common sense says that organic is safe food&#039;. The term &#039;clutching at straws&#039; comes to mind.

This sort of comment is straight out of the Jeffrey Smith playbook, it does you no justice and only discredits your arguments. Try using some real arguments to support your statments next time, rather than a grab bag of unrelated statements.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;About 99% of non-organic farm animals in the UK are now fed GM soya. And there has never been a reported case of BSE in organic cattle in the UK. Common sense says that organic is safe food.&#8221; </p>
<p>WTF???</p>
<p>This is the sort of statement that really annoys me.</p>
<p>For a start it doesn&#8217;t make sense. The three sentences are completely unrelated.</p>
<p>99% of cattle in the UK are fed GM Soya&#8230; So what??? Is there any evidence to suggest this is damaging to them or to humans, if so here would have been a good place to provide it. </p>
<p>But no, you then say that no organic cattle have ever tested positive for BSE, well fair enough but what does that have to do with GM feed. Anyone with half a brain knows that BSE (mad cow disease or its human variant Creutzfeldt–Jakob disease) was contracted by cattle being fed the remains of other cattle in the form of meat and bone meal. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with GM crops. The majority of cases of BSE were detected in the EU before GM feed was available. In fact countries, such as the US, that had a plentiful supply of soya bean feed(and other grain feed &#8211; gm or otherwise) that was cheaper than feeds derived from animals, were shown to have a much lower incidence of BSE, despite the feeding of ruminant meal to other ruminants not being illegal.</p>
<p>So from two completely unrelated statements you then say &#8216;common sense says that organic is safe food&#8217;. The term &#8216;clutching at straws&#8217; comes to mind.</p>
<p>This sort of comment is straight out of the Jeffrey Smith playbook, it does you no justice and only discredits your arguments. Try using some real arguments to support your statments next time, rather than a grab bag of unrelated statements.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Blampied</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-53566</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Blampied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Sep 2010 09:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good links and points - Thanks Øyvind</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good links and points &#8211; Thanks Øyvind</p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-53404</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Sep 2010 05:00:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Create This Colorful Coffee Table by Simply Folding Some Paper: http://inhabitat.com/2010/09/16/diy-easily-create-this-colorful-paper-by-folding-some-paper/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Create This Colorful Coffee Table by Simply Folding Some Paper: <a href="http://inhabitat.com/2010/09/16/diy-easily-create-this-colorful-paper-by-folding-some-paper/" rel="nofollow">http://inhabitat.com/2010/09/16/diy-easily-create-this-colorful-paper-by-folding-some-paper/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-53104</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Sep 2010 08:16:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hei Patrick, here is some more evidence of the great importance of &quot;the third place&quot;.

&quot;The decline of democratic discourse has come about largely at the hands of the elites, or &quot;talking classes,&quot; as Lasch refers to them. Intelligent debate about common concerns has been almost entirely supplanted by ideological quarrels, sour dogma, and name-calling. The growing insularity of what passes for public discourse today has been exacerbated, he says, by the loss of &quot;third places&quot; — beyond the home and workplace — which foster the sort of free-wheeling and spontaneous conversation among citizens on which democracy thrives. Without the civic institutions — ranging from political parties to public parks and informal meeting places — that &quot;promote general conversation across class lines,&quot; social classes increasingly &quot;speak to themselves in a dialect of their own, inaccessible to outsiders.&quot; In &quot;The Lost Art of Argument,&quot; Lasch laments the degradation of public discourse at the hands of a media establishment more committed to a &quot;misguided ideal of objectivity&quot; than to providing context and continuity — the foundation for a meaningful public debate.&quot;

See: http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/lasch.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hei Patrick, here is some more evidence of the great importance of &#8220;the third place&#8221;.</p>
<p>&#8220;The decline of democratic discourse has come about largely at the hands of the elites, or &#8220;talking classes,&#8221; as Lasch refers to them. Intelligent debate about common concerns has been almost entirely supplanted by ideological quarrels, sour dogma, and name-calling. The growing insularity of what passes for public discourse today has been exacerbated, he says, by the loss of &#8220;third places&#8221; — beyond the home and workplace — which foster the sort of free-wheeling and spontaneous conversation among citizens on which democracy thrives. Without the civic institutions — ranging from political parties to public parks and informal meeting places — that &#8220;promote general conversation across class lines,&#8221; social classes increasingly &#8220;speak to themselves in a dialect of their own, inaccessible to outsiders.&#8221; In &#8220;The Lost Art of Argument,&#8221; Lasch laments the degradation of public discourse at the hands of a media establishment more committed to a &#8220;misguided ideal of objectivity&#8221; than to providing context and continuity — the foundation for a meaningful public debate.&#8221;</p>
<p>See: <a href="http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/lasch.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.scottlondon.com/reviews/lasch.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: steve</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-50969</link>
		<dc:creator>steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 13:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe if everyone that drinks coffee took acid instead, we would have alot less of the problems that everyone seems to be talking about. 
being able to feel, see and experience the subtle energies is what make people understand life.

what first connected me, was growing two cannabis plants from seed in my bedroom when i was 11 years old. i had them under a light for the winter and put them outside at spring. one was a male and one was a female. i learnt so much from observing them intently every single day.
unfortunately my dads girlfriend told the cops and they came and took the beautiful female with big purple buds larger than my forearm.

the interaction with the plants made me realise that plants really do have a consciousness

i think dominator culture has gone on for too long.

forgive me if i&#039;ve strayed from the topic :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe if everyone that drinks coffee took acid instead, we would have alot less of the problems that everyone seems to be talking about.<br />
being able to feel, see and experience the subtle energies is what make people understand life.</p>
<p>what first connected me, was growing two cannabis plants from seed in my bedroom when i was 11 years old. i had them under a light for the winter and put them outside at spring. one was a male and one was a female. i learnt so much from observing them intently every single day.<br />
unfortunately my dads girlfriend told the cops and they came and took the beautiful female with big purple buds larger than my forearm.</p>
<p>the interaction with the plants made me realise that plants really do have a consciousness</p>
<p>i think dominator culture has gone on for too long.</p>
<p>forgive me if i&#8217;ve strayed from the topic <img src='http://permaculture.org.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Blampied</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-50923</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Blampied</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 00:10:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Steve we might need to start &#039;Permaculture Alliance Coffee&#039; which can only be grown in the understory of new food forests on degraded farmland!

Justin that cafe is interesting, it&#039;s nice to see a government do something that makes sense. 

Zainil, thanks for the comments, nice blog too. You might want to check with Craig about republishing portions, I don&#039;t personally have a problem but PRI would have a policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Steve we might need to start &#8216;Permaculture Alliance Coffee&#8217; which can only be grown in the understory of new food forests on degraded farmland!</p>
<p>Justin that cafe is interesting, it&#8217;s nice to see a government do something that makes sense. </p>
<p>Zainil, thanks for the comments, nice blog too. You might want to check with Craig about republishing portions, I don&#8217;t personally have a problem but PRI would have a policy.</p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-50909</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 19:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, I&#039;m sure you&#039;ll like this article: http://gadfly.igc.org/eds/envt/trees.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, I&#8217;m sure you&#8217;ll like this article: <a href="http://gadfly.igc.org/eds/envt/trees.htm" rel="nofollow">http://gadfly.igc.org/eds/envt/trees.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-50854</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 17:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Could it be that the ‘Sustainable (R)evolution’ Book Project could be made in two versions? One big for your book shelf and study groups, and one small with less text and more pictures in a Coffee Table version? 

Imagine a Permaculture ‘Sustainable (R)evolution’ Coffee Table Book at every cafés and restaurants table! 

See: http://permaculture.org.au/support-the-sustainable-revolution-book-project/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Could it be that the ‘Sustainable (R)evolution’ Book Project could be made in two versions? One big for your book shelf and study groups, and one small with less text and more pictures in a Coffee Table version? </p>
<p>Imagine a Permaculture ‘Sustainable (R)evolution’ Coffee Table Book at every cafés and restaurants table! </p>
<p>See: <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/support-the-sustainable-revolution-book-project/" rel="nofollow">http://permaculture.org.au/support-the-sustainable-revolution-book-project/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Øyvind Holmstad</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/27/10-reasons-to-go-organic-beyond-being-trendy/#comment-50844</link>
		<dc:creator>Øyvind Holmstad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Permaculture have a Coffee Table Book like this: http://earthship.com/education/earthship-books/details/2/2/books/journey-part-i--1969---1989.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Permaculture have a Coffee Table Book like this: <a href="http://earthship.com/education/earthship-books/details/2/2/books/journey-part-i--1969---1989.html" rel="nofollow">http://earthship.com/education/earthship-books/details/2/2/books/journey-part-i&#8211;1969&#8212;1989.html</a></p>
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