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	<title>Comments on: Home Cheese-Making DVD Hits the Road!</title>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/08/home-cheese-making-dvd-hits-the-road/#comment-50186</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>whoops forgot to mention something else, my parents make kefir as well, they have some kind of Tibetan milk fungus which removes impurities etc. 

If you want more info on this fungus send me an email and ill pass it onto my mum. 

moe_k1988@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>whoops forgot to mention something else, my parents make kefir as well, they have some kind of Tibetan milk fungus which removes impurities etc. </p>
<p>If you want more info on this fungus send me an email and ill pass it onto my mum. </p>
<p><a href="mailto:moe_k1988@hotmail.com">moe_k1988@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Moe</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/08/home-cheese-making-dvd-hits-the-road/#comment-50185</link>
		<dc:creator>Moe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 01:47:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The French eat a lot of dairy, but its all about the portion sizes. In America they have like &quot;gallons&quot; of milk jugs, which is not good.

Also A1 and A2 milk - A1 being from too greatly inbred cows which have an indigestible protein.

Also unpasteurised/unhomogenised or &quot;raw&quot; milk is better. Theres a guy on youtube who swears by it. He is lactose intolerant, and can drink &quot;raw&quot; milk. he cant drink the pasturised/homogonised type because of the destroyed enzymes. 

Im going to eventually get a cow i think.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The French eat a lot of dairy, but its all about the portion sizes. In America they have like &#8220;gallons&#8221; of milk jugs, which is not good.</p>
<p>Also A1 and A2 milk &#8211; A1 being from too greatly inbred cows which have an indigestible protein.</p>
<p>Also unpasteurised/unhomogenised or &#8220;raw&#8221; milk is better. Theres a guy on youtube who swears by it. He is lactose intolerant, and can drink &#8220;raw&#8221; milk. he cant drink the pasturised/homogonised type because of the destroyed enzymes. </p>
<p>Im going to eventually get a cow i think.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/08/home-cheese-making-dvd-hits-the-road/#comment-50147</link>
		<dc:creator>Joshua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jul 2010 07:23:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See www.realmilk.com
www.westonaprice.org

Cheers :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See <a href="http://www.realmilk.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.realmilk.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.westonaprice.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.westonaprice.org</a></p>
<p>Cheers <img src='http://permaculture.org.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Arian I.</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/08/home-cheese-making-dvd-hits-the-road/#comment-50034</link>
		<dc:creator>Arian I.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Jul 2010 02:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As with everything else, dairy products are good when consumed in moderation. I love cheese, but I do not make it any central part of my daily diet.

I&#039;m quite fond of goat&#039;s milk, but it&#039;s been a long time since I&#039;ve drank any dairy products on a regular basis. Nowadays the only time I drink homogenized milk is right before bed on some nights, as it has helped me relieve my constipation more than once. (I&#039;m lactose intolerant, BTW.)

Human beings are just as much part of the food/energy chain as much as the animals of the wild. Which is why it pays for us to know just what our dairy cows are fed on a regular basis, for instance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As with everything else, dairy products are good when consumed in moderation. I love cheese, but I do not make it any central part of my daily diet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m quite fond of goat&#8217;s milk, but it&#8217;s been a long time since I&#8217;ve drank any dairy products on a regular basis. Nowadays the only time I drink homogenized milk is right before bed on some nights, as it has helped me relieve my constipation more than once. (I&#8217;m lactose intolerant, BTW.)</p>
<p>Human beings are just as much part of the food/energy chain as much as the animals of the wild. Which is why it pays for us to know just what our dairy cows are fed on a regular basis, for instance.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/08/home-cheese-making-dvd-hits-the-road/#comment-49991</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Jul 2010 04:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think with all due respect that if humans have milked cows and goats for centuries and we are still living on the planet there might be a reason why all the dairy products are not so bad for our health...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think with all due respect that if humans have milked cows and goats for centuries and we are still living on the planet there might be a reason why all the dairy products are not so bad for our health&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Luetkemeyer</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/08/home-cheese-making-dvd-hits-the-road/#comment-49961</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Luetkemeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 14:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a lot of information on milk out there and a lot of disinformation as well.  There is one important distinction.  Most studies showing milk is bad for you bases their studies on pasteurized commercial milk.  I agree this form of milk is very bad.  Raw milk that comes from organically raised grass fed animals is very good for you.  I could explain this in detail; however, I have found over the years if you do not do your own research you will only believe what you want to believe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a lot of information on milk out there and a lot of disinformation as well.  There is one important distinction.  Most studies showing milk is bad for you bases their studies on pasteurized commercial milk.  I agree this form of milk is very bad.  Raw milk that comes from organically raised grass fed animals is very good for you.  I could explain this in detail; however, I have found over the years if you do not do your own research you will only believe what you want to believe.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 13:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, thx for links.  Lot of info there.  The China Study by Colin Campbell echoes your position and is well footnoted.  Here is the book, free to read on Google books: http://clickn.in/chinastudy  The intro is only 8 pages and gives it to you in a nutshell.  The remainder of the book simply supports the intro.

I was looking for any counter arguments.  

In the meantime, I&#039;m all hemp and coconut milk.  I am starting to see yogurt, kefir, and ice cream from coconut milk here in the US.  

I wonder if there is hemp or coconut cheese?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, thx for links.  Lot of info there.  The China Study by Colin Campbell echoes your position and is well footnoted.  Here is the book, free to read on Google books: <a href="http://clickn.in/chinastudy" rel="nofollow">http://clickn.in/chinastudy</a>  The intro is only 8 pages and gives it to you in a nutshell.  The remainder of the book simply supports the intro.</p>
<p>I was looking for any counter arguments.  </p>
<p>In the meantime, I&#8217;m all hemp and coconut milk.  I am starting to see yogurt, kefir, and ice cream from coconut milk here in the US.  </p>
<p>I wonder if there is hemp or coconut cheese?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would milk be unnatural? Try telling that to nomad people in Asia or to Maasai, they depend on it :) I think that, if we have been doing it for so long, it must be quite ok.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would milk be unnatural? Try telling that to nomad people in Asia or to Maasai, they depend on it <img src='http://permaculture.org.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think that, if we have been doing it for so long, it must be quite ok.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Lawton</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/07/08/home-cheese-making-dvd-hits-the-road/#comment-49948</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoff Lawton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 10:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The big difference here that we need to pay attention to is the word RAW diary products.

Just like vegetables, fruit, red white or any color meat you like the health side of food is all about raw living food full of enzymes where processed with natural living processes, as fresh as possible, as local as possible and diverse within practicality within season which creates moderation.  This is the best diet we can eat, and we can do it better now than ever before because we have more diversity to use than ever before.  Our gardens are 800x more diverse than they were in the middle ages.

Sterilization processing of dairy is a serious problem to health as is monoculture organic food with high energy input product.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The big difference here that we need to pay attention to is the word RAW diary products.</p>
<p>Just like vegetables, fruit, red white or any color meat you like the health side of food is all about raw living food full of enzymes where processed with natural living processes, as fresh as possible, as local as possible and diverse within practicality within season which creates moderation.  This is the best diet we can eat, and we can do it better now than ever before because we have more diversity to use than ever before.  Our gardens are 800x more diverse than they were in the middle ages.</p>
<p>Sterilization processing of dairy is a serious problem to health as is monoculture organic food with high energy input product.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Dilley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Dilley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jul 2010 09:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just started making kefir myself. I&#039;ve noticed a difference in the first week with my intestinal health and digestion of foods, so theres something to be said with getting a gut full, literally, of a large matrix of bacteria and yeasts you get eating live culture compared to the ultra pasteurised foods denuded of living organisms.

I gave up most milk, I never drink it for a drink, only for a bit of splash in a milo or in the old days a coffee (gave up all stimulants so no more coffee and tea - another story about how much better I feel although nearly a 3 month process to get it out of my system).

My milk consumption has risen a bit but its still about half a cup or so a a night before bed of kefir natural with no additives and not refrigerated but left out on the bench at all times.

Scary though the first time you have some and worry about something that may have sat out of the refrigeration for five days or more but then you don&#039;t get sick or die and get better digestion and think hey! Then its more liberating on trying other fermented foods of our ancestors with live cultures in them instead of pale modern imitations, real kraut compared to modern ultra pasteurised, cooked cabbage put into vinegar or yogurts with only one or if you are lucky two bacteria and missing the other 28 bacteria and yeasts of the traditional kefir (health food shop powder is just as bad for only having 3 or so bacteria and not the full 27 extra yeasts and bacteria of the real kefir).

So I&#039;m all for raw milk products fermented into kefir drinks or fermented into cheeses versus buying dead products in a modern supermarket.

Cheers,
Peter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just started making kefir myself. I&#8217;ve noticed a difference in the first week with my intestinal health and digestion of foods, so theres something to be said with getting a gut full, literally, of a large matrix of bacteria and yeasts you get eating live culture compared to the ultra pasteurised foods denuded of living organisms.</p>
<p>I gave up most milk, I never drink it for a drink, only for a bit of splash in a milo or in the old days a coffee (gave up all stimulants so no more coffee and tea &#8211; another story about how much better I feel although nearly a 3 month process to get it out of my system).</p>
<p>My milk consumption has risen a bit but its still about half a cup or so a a night before bed of kefir natural with no additives and not refrigerated but left out on the bench at all times.</p>
<p>Scary though the first time you have some and worry about something that may have sat out of the refrigeration for five days or more but then you don&#8217;t get sick or die and get better digestion and think hey! Then its more liberating on trying other fermented foods of our ancestors with live cultures in them instead of pale modern imitations, real kraut compared to modern ultra pasteurised, cooked cabbage put into vinegar or yogurts with only one or if you are lucky two bacteria and missing the other 28 bacteria and yeasts of the traditional kefir (health food shop powder is just as bad for only having 3 or so bacteria and not the full 27 extra yeasts and bacteria of the real kefir).</p>
<p>So I&#8217;m all for raw milk products fermented into kefir drinks or fermented into cheeses versus buying dead products in a modern supermarket.</p>
<p>Cheers,<br />
Peter</p>
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