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	<title>Comments on: Practicing Permanent Agriculture on Moloka’i</title>
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		<title>By: Nichole Ross</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2010/01/14/practicing-permanent-agriculture-on-molokai/#comment-47260</link>
		<dc:creator>Nichole Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave,
Not really sure why you are targeting Joe Kennedy in your comments, especially for this article as it isn&#039;t really about him. 

As I said in my recent comment to your other dis on Joe, his use of cardboard, while perhaps not ideal in all aspects, is a perfect example of “resourcefulness” and “using what you got on hand”. Joe visits the Molokai landfill often for his inputs, where he reclaims cardboard and barely-used drip tape, thrown away by others on the island. I’d say, this would definitely demonstrate the concept Geoff Lawton calls “turning a problem into the solution”. As far as worker accommodations, what more would interns be expecting. This is Permaculture, not the Ritz Carlton. Anyone that knows Joe, knows he is a good guy, knows a lot and has his own style – as do we all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,<br />
Not really sure why you are targeting Joe Kennedy in your comments, especially for this article as it isn&#8217;t really about him. </p>
<p>As I said in my recent comment to your other dis on Joe, his use of cardboard, while perhaps not ideal in all aspects, is a perfect example of “resourcefulness” and “using what you got on hand”. Joe visits the Molokai landfill often for his inputs, where he reclaims cardboard and barely-used drip tape, thrown away by others on the island. I’d say, this would definitely demonstrate the concept Geoff Lawton calls “turning a problem into the solution”. As far as worker accommodations, what more would interns be expecting. This is Permaculture, not the Ritz Carlton. Anyone that knows Joe, knows he is a good guy, knows a lot and has his own style – as do we all.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Apr 2010 23:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe Kennedy has a chaotic system he calls farming.  He invites people to come work for him without informing them of the true nature of the position, such as housing, hours etc.  His idea of good housing is a group of old hole-ridden, leaky tents that are filled with mold and mildew and occasionally scorpions and centipedes.  The food that he provides is not in fact &quot;organic&quot; as he has covered his soil for decades with produce oriented corrugated cardboard boxes to prevent the weeds from growing.  These hundreds of boxes contain chemicals such as sodium hydroxide (http://www.answers.com/topic/corrugated-cardboard-1), &quot;A strongly alkaline compound, NaOH, used in the manufacture of chemicals and soaps and in petroleum refining. Also called caustic soda, lye. (http://www.answers.com/topic/sodium-hydroxide.  They also go through &quot; the sulfate process because of the chemicals used to break down wood chips into fibrous pulp&quot; (http://www.answers.com/topic/corrugated-cardboard-1).  Moreover, they have non-biodegradable inks that further permeate the soil.  Although Joe refers to his produce as &quot;organic,&quot; it would fail organic certification.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe Kennedy has a chaotic system he calls farming.  He invites people to come work for him without informing them of the true nature of the position, such as housing, hours etc.  His idea of good housing is a group of old hole-ridden, leaky tents that are filled with mold and mildew and occasionally scorpions and centipedes.  The food that he provides is not in fact &#8220;organic&#8221; as he has covered his soil for decades with produce oriented corrugated cardboard boxes to prevent the weeds from growing.  These hundreds of boxes contain chemicals such as sodium hydroxide (<a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/corrugated-cardboard-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.answers.com/topic/corrugated-cardboard-1</a>), &#8220;A strongly alkaline compound, NaOH, used in the manufacture of chemicals and soaps and in petroleum refining. Also called caustic soda, lye. (<a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/sodium-hydroxide" rel="nofollow">http://www.answers.com/topic/sodium-hydroxide</a>.  They also go through &#8221; the sulfate process because of the chemicals used to break down wood chips into fibrous pulp&#8221; (<a href="http://www.answers.com/topic/corrugated-cardboard-1" rel="nofollow">http://www.answers.com/topic/corrugated-cardboard-1</a>).  Moreover, they have non-biodegradable inks that further permeate the soil.  Although Joe refers to his produce as &#8220;organic,&#8221; it would fail organic certification.</p>
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