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	<title>Comments on: Rethinking Water: A Permaculture Tour of the Inland Northwest</title>
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		<title>By: William Kearns</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-244420</link>
		<dc:creator>William Kearns</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jan 2012 18:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been studying talus garland communities near me since your article Kyle, and pondering how to adapt the synergies you describe here (I&#039;m the &quot;Bill&quot; Kyle describes above).  It occurred to me that I have a semblance of the rock formations you mention in the form of the numerous buildings here.  Their roofs collect water in much the same way as a basalt outcropping and their bulk shields from the wind on the leeward sides.

So, instead of a complicated, integrated roofwater capture/distribution system, I&#039;ve come to the point of designing a sort of talus garland community for each of the eleven buildings I&#039;ve got.  While I can still use the plentiful stones laying around as mulch, it won&#039;t require the labor intensive build-up of a &quot;rock formation&quot; as we did in our experiment.

I greatly appreciate your insights.  You&#039;ve helped me come a long way in understanding this unique environment here in eastern Washington.  = )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been studying talus garland communities near me since your article Kyle, and pondering how to adapt the synergies you describe here (I&#8217;m the &#8220;Bill&#8221; Kyle describes above).  It occurred to me that I have a semblance of the rock formations you mention in the form of the numerous buildings here.  Their roofs collect water in much the same way as a basalt outcropping and their bulk shields from the wind on the leeward sides.</p>
<p>So, instead of a complicated, integrated roofwater capture/distribution system, I&#8217;ve come to the point of designing a sort of talus garland community for each of the eleven buildings I&#8217;ve got.  While I can still use the plentiful stones laying around as mulch, it won&#8217;t require the labor intensive build-up of a &#8220;rock formation&#8221; as we did in our experiment.</p>
<p>I greatly appreciate your insights.  You&#8217;ve helped me come a long way in understanding this unique environment here in eastern Washington.  = )</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Mackintosh</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-38314</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Mackintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My fault as editor Joel. Was just to busy at the time and speed reading. Fixed, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My fault as editor Joel. Was just to busy at the time and speed reading. Fixed, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Joel</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-38313</link>
		<dc:creator>Joel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 20:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really appreciated the article, too! Good info, and well written.

I noticed a few typos, I hope you don&#039;t mind me pointing them out.

&quot;seldom more than waste high.&quot;

&quot;the Northwest bares the misfortune&quot;

&quot;ext.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really appreciated the article, too! Good info, and well written.</p>
<p>I noticed a few typos, I hope you don&#8217;t mind me pointing them out.</p>
<p>&#8220;seldom more than waste high.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;the Northwest bares the misfortune&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;ext.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle Chamberlain</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-38208</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle Chamberlain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 20:21:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the encouraging responses guys! After a long spell of just trying to get by, I&#039;m mustering up the courage to write again.

Paul, the way Bill explained it to me. Rainfall in Washington is the property of the state, as are all bodies of water. You probably gathered from my article that water rights are fiercely debated in the region. The spirit of the law is probably environmental. Since there is already so much strain on the watershed, outlawing rainwater harvesting is one way to keep water in the rivers for the salmon. From a few perspectives it makes a lot of sense. I could easily see how a commercial water harvesting operation could get out of hand, and be a problem. But for household purposes, there is obviously some civil disobedience in order.

Magewars, I&#039;m quite interested in your plans, please let us know if you aquire property, I might want to visit. I have a few ideas pertinent to the Great Basin Desert. The talus garland is very suited to this environment.

Rob, being a Canadian you must certainly recognize the potential of serviceberries aka &quot;saskatoons&quot; and chokecherries. Nobody eats saskatoons in America! It&#039;s as crazy as not harvesting rain! I am also very curious about your plans. 

And thanks for the website Mike. My countrymen may eventualy catch on. I think many Americans associate drinking rainwater with poverty. On the radio the other day, I heard about how an Indian reservation, absorbed in the sprawl of Pheonix, Arizona, overcame poverty by offering un-regulated space to developers. Ick.. They used to drink out of rain barrels, but now they drink floridated tap water like the rest of us &quot;affluent&quot; Americans. I guess it&#039;s the price we pay for socio-economic one-upping. As for me, getting Washington&#039;s law changed is pretty high on my political agenda, right up there with banning GMO wheat.  

Good luck to all of you. If enough of us can get permaculture sites estabished, people will start scratching thier heads as to why we ever bothered with the water-wars in the first place. Hopefully, the Columbia River will still reach the ocean by then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the encouraging responses guys! After a long spell of just trying to get by, I&#8217;m mustering up the courage to write again.</p>
<p>Paul, the way Bill explained it to me. Rainfall in Washington is the property of the state, as are all bodies of water. You probably gathered from my article that water rights are fiercely debated in the region. The spirit of the law is probably environmental. Since there is already so much strain on the watershed, outlawing rainwater harvesting is one way to keep water in the rivers for the salmon. From a few perspectives it makes a lot of sense. I could easily see how a commercial water harvesting operation could get out of hand, and be a problem. But for household purposes, there is obviously some civil disobedience in order.</p>
<p>Magewars, I&#8217;m quite interested in your plans, please let us know if you aquire property, I might want to visit. I have a few ideas pertinent to the Great Basin Desert. The talus garland is very suited to this environment.</p>
<p>Rob, being a Canadian you must certainly recognize the potential of serviceberries aka &#8220;saskatoons&#8221; and chokecherries. Nobody eats saskatoons in America! It&#8217;s as crazy as not harvesting rain! I am also very curious about your plans. </p>
<p>And thanks for the website Mike. My countrymen may eventualy catch on. I think many Americans associate drinking rainwater with poverty. On the radio the other day, I heard about how an Indian reservation, absorbed in the sprawl of Pheonix, Arizona, overcame poverty by offering un-regulated space to developers. Ick.. They used to drink out of rain barrels, but now they drink floridated tap water like the rest of us &#8220;affluent&#8221; Americans. I guess it&#8217;s the price we pay for socio-economic one-upping. As for me, getting Washington&#8217;s law changed is pretty high on my political agenda, right up there with banning GMO wheat.  </p>
<p>Good luck to all of you. If enough of us can get permaculture sites estabished, people will start scratching thier heads as to why we ever bothered with the water-wars in the first place. Hopefully, the Columbia River will still reach the ocean by then.</p>
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		<title>By: Rand</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-38206</link>
		<dc:creator>Rand</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 17:39:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too appreciated this article. I, now, have a small dry land property that will benefit from this kind of rock work design. I have plenty of rock. Not much soil but I see with permaculture a real resource in the stone. I have just started the observational first year on the property in San Diego County. I look forward to more articles of this type. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too appreciated this article. I, now, have a small dry land property that will benefit from this kind of rock work design. I have plenty of rock. Not much soil but I see with permaculture a real resource in the stone. I have just started the observational first year on the property in San Diego County. I look forward to more articles of this type. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Magewars</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-38177</link>
		<dc:creator>Magewars</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:05:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow... thanks for the Stone Mulch Idea!

Reno NV only gets 8&quot; of rain (only 4-6&quot; in some of the areas where land is affordable).  We have a goal of finding land nobody wants using the Desert Land Act and using Permaculture techniques to &quot;make it productive.&quot;  The Act allows you to obtain up to a sq mile of land for under $100 and requires that at least 20% of the land obtained be &quot;irrigated&quot; and within 8 years be producing crops enough to sustain the workforce needed to grow the crops.  

If we use permaculture techniques and (mostly) extremely low water crops the &quot;irrigation&quot; could be from a single well and decent piping.  As long as we show the ABILITY to move water to 20% of the property that portion will be fulfilled whether we choose to actually move the water or not.  

We&#039;re studying as much as we can to maximize crop production using a mixture of swales, cisterns, other land shaping and whatever possible techniques come our way...  Thanks again for one more tool!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230; thanks for the Stone Mulch Idea!</p>
<p>Reno NV only gets 8&#8243; of rain (only 4-6&#8243; in some of the areas where land is affordable).  We have a goal of finding land nobody wants using the Desert Land Act and using Permaculture techniques to &#8220;make it productive.&#8221;  The Act allows you to obtain up to a sq mile of land for under $100 and requires that at least 20% of the land obtained be &#8220;irrigated&#8221; and within 8 years be producing crops enough to sustain the workforce needed to grow the crops.  </p>
<p>If we use permaculture techniques and (mostly) extremely low water crops the &#8220;irrigation&#8221; could be from a single well and decent piping.  As long as we show the ABILITY to move water to 20% of the property that portion will be fulfilled whether we choose to actually move the water or not.  </p>
<p>We&#8217;re studying as much as we can to maximize crop production using a mixture of swales, cisterns, other land shaping and whatever possible techniques come our way&#8230;  Thanks again for one more tool!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-38156</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 21:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great article. As an Australian it still amazes me that rainwater harvesting seems to be something of a novelty in the USA and I don&#039;t mean that as a criticism as I think what the Pagliaros are doing is fantastic. Here&#039;s a website you may find of interest.
http://www.naturalsequencefarming.com/ All the Best</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great article. As an Australian it still amazes me that rainwater harvesting seems to be something of a novelty in the USA and I don&#8217;t mean that as a criticism as I think what the Pagliaros are doing is fantastic. Here&#8217;s a website you may find of interest.<br />
<a href="http://www.naturalsequencefarming.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.naturalsequencefarming.com/</a> All the Best</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-38151</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:48:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article!  I live in a similar climate up here in Alberta.  I have been contemplating a move to our desert to show what is possible without the help of massive irrigation works.

Thanks for the inspiration.

Rob</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article!  I live in a similar climate up here in Alberta.  I have been contemplating a move to our desert to show what is possible without the help of massive irrigation works.</p>
<p>Thanks for the inspiration.</p>
<p>Rob</p>
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		<title>By: reneehc</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-38135</link>
		<dc:creator>reneehc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in North Central California and our area is much the same with incredibly hot dry summers and rain all in the winter months.  These past few winters we haven&#039;t gotten nearly enough rain.  Thanks for the great examples of using stone mulch and stone walls to create shade and micro-climates.  I also have an abundance of rock!  Use what ya got! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in North Central California and our area is much the same with incredibly hot dry summers and rain all in the winter months.  These past few winters we haven&#8217;t gotten nearly enough rain.  Thanks for the great examples of using stone mulch and stone walls to create shade and micro-climates.  I also have an abundance of rock!  Use what ya got! <img src='http://permaculture.org.au/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul Dore</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/02/rethinking-water-a-permaculture-tour-of-the-inland-northwest/#comment-38134</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Dore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Nov 2009 02:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed reading your post. Thank you. Hear about what folks are doing in their local areas is not only motivating, but it&#039;s a great way to gather information and ask questions. So 1 question I have is why is it illegal to harvest rainwater in Washington state? Talk about puzzling. What reasons are given? Is it to do with ground stability in the event of major earthquakes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed reading your post. Thank you. Hear about what folks are doing in their local areas is not only motivating, but it&#8217;s a great way to gather information and ask questions. So 1 question I have is why is it illegal to harvest rainwater in Washington state? Talk about puzzling. What reasons are given? Is it to do with ground stability in the event of major earthquakes?</p>
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