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		<title>By: Craig Mackintosh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Mackintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reef bleaching is serious stuff Peta. In 1998, for example, &quot;up to 90 percent of coral reefs died in some areas of the Indian Ocean&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2005/2005-10-25-05.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;ENS Newswire&lt;/a&gt;). With hotter years to come, these ecosystems may well collapse entirely. In regards to tackling climate change too late, check &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2008/11/15/the-dangerous-threshold-a-destination-or-a-milestone/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2008/11/26/one-shot-left/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this&lt;/a&gt; out.

Thanks for your comment Jacob. Yes, you&#039;re right - if we all stopped breathing (i.e. the human race disappeared), nature would restore itself eventually. I don&#039;t see that as an option though.

In regards to which problem is worse - they&#039;re all serious, and they&#039;re all also inter-related. Chemical pollution of our water is largely due to &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2008/10/27/the-rise-and-predictable-fall-of-globalized-industrial-agriculture/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;industrial agriculture&lt;/a&gt;, for example, and industrial agriculture also happens to be the biggest user of water, destroyer of topsoil - and, significantly, the biggest consumer of fossil fuels and thus the biggest contributor to climate change.

We also cover the topics you&#039;ve mentioned - &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/12/water-worries/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;water&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2009/01/03/pay-monsanto-or-starve/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;GMO&#039;s&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/07/soil-our-financial-institution/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;soil loss&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2009/01/16/br-319-amazons-highway-to-hell/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;deforestation&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/13/pesticides-and-you/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;chemical pollution&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/23/75-percent-of-diversity-lost-in-last-century/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;plant diversity&lt;/a&gt;, and much more. People need to know about it all - including climate change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reef bleaching is serious stuff Peta. In 1998, for example, &#8220;up to 90 percent of coral reefs died in some areas of the Indian Ocean&#8221; (<a href="http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/oct2005/2005-10-25-05.asp" rel="nofollow">ENS Newswire</a>). With hotter years to come, these ecosystems may well collapse entirely. In regards to tackling climate change too late, check <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2008/11/15/the-dangerous-threshold-a-destination-or-a-milestone/" rel="nofollow">this</a> and <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2008/11/26/one-shot-left/" rel="nofollow">this</a> out.</p>
<p>Thanks for your comment Jacob. Yes, you&#8217;re right &#8211; if we all stopped breathing (i.e. the human race disappeared), nature would restore itself eventually. I don&#8217;t see that as an option though.</p>
<p>In regards to which problem is worse &#8211; they&#8217;re all serious, and they&#8217;re all also inter-related. Chemical pollution of our water is largely due to <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2008/10/27/the-rise-and-predictable-fall-of-globalized-industrial-agriculture/" rel="nofollow">industrial agriculture</a>, for example, and industrial agriculture also happens to be the biggest user of water, destroyer of topsoil &#8211; and, significantly, the biggest consumer of fossil fuels and thus the biggest contributor to climate change.</p>
<p>We also cover the topics you&#8217;ve mentioned &#8211; <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/12/water-worries/" rel="nofollow">water</a>, <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2009/01/03/pay-monsanto-or-starve/" rel="nofollow">GMO&#8217;s</a>, <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/07/soil-our-financial-institution/" rel="nofollow">soil loss</a>, <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2009/01/16/br-319-amazons-highway-to-hell/" rel="nofollow">deforestation</a>, <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/13/pesticides-and-you/" rel="nofollow">chemical pollution</a>, <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/23/75-percent-of-diversity-lost-in-last-century/" rel="nofollow">plant diversity</a>, and much more. People need to know about it all &#8211; including climate change.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob Luetkemeyer</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/03/11/an-ocean-of-unknown/#comment-30015</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacob Luetkemeyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 14:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If everyone would just stop breathing for one day we could tackle this CO2 problem.  There are many problems that we have created on this planet.  I have done extensive research on both sides of the table regarding global climate change.  In my opinion the world is putting to much focus on global climate change instead of the real problems.  GMO is one of them.  There are many others that could be listed of which there is only one side and definite serious problems arising from them.  Why are people not spending time on these issues.  I never hear of anyone talking about the destruction of our trees and forests anymore.  I found it interesting that Al Gore owns a company whose sole purpose is the clearing of forests for development purposes.  The so called know it all on global climate change is probably contributing more to the problem than any other single person.  It seems the chemical polution of our water is far more damaging than CO2.  Here in the United States our methods of dealing with sewage is completely backwards.  Pharmaceuticals gone bad are being dumped in our waterways to dispose of them.  The list goes on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If everyone would just stop breathing for one day we could tackle this CO2 problem.  There are many problems that we have created on this planet.  I have done extensive research on both sides of the table regarding global climate change.  In my opinion the world is putting to much focus on global climate change instead of the real problems.  GMO is one of them.  There are many others that could be listed of which there is only one side and definite serious problems arising from them.  Why are people not spending time on these issues.  I never hear of anyone talking about the destruction of our trees and forests anymore.  I found it interesting that Al Gore owns a company whose sole purpose is the clearing of forests for development purposes.  The so called know it all on global climate change is probably contributing more to the problem than any other single person.  It seems the chemical polution of our water is far more damaging than CO2.  Here in the United States our methods of dealing with sewage is completely backwards.  Pharmaceuticals gone bad are being dumped in our waterways to dispose of them.  The list goes on.</p>
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		<title>By: Peta</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peta</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 13:46:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scary stuff Craig...no wonder our Reefs are dying.  It has been all over the news the last couple of days how the ocean is warming up much faster than previously anticipated.  Saw a doco recently too that believes that if carbon emissions aren&#039;t drastically reduced in the next decade, it will be too late - climate change will just drive itself.  Now is the time for action, but unfortunately the message doesn&#039;t seem to be getting across where it&#039;s needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scary stuff Craig&#8230;no wonder our Reefs are dying.  It has been all over the news the last couple of days how the ocean is warming up much faster than previously anticipated.  Saw a doco recently too that believes that if carbon emissions aren&#8217;t drastically reduced in the next decade, it will be too late &#8211; climate change will just drive itself.  Now is the time for action, but unfortunately the message doesn&#8217;t seem to be getting across where it&#8217;s needed.</p>
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