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	<title>Comments on: Building a Sustainable Economy</title>
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		<title>By: Chicken Coop</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/02/06/building-the-sustainable-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-34350</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicken Coop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 17:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>great post(why i keep getting an error when i try to subscribe to your feed)?thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>great post(why i keep getting an error when i try to subscribe to your feed)?thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Tamara Griesel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tamara Griesel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The magic ingredient?

Grace.  Agape.

We have been laboring too long under an economic paradigm that suggests that selfishness is the only real human drive, when its opposite also compels us, biologically and philosophically, as human beings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The magic ingredient?</p>
<p>Grace.  Agape.</p>
<p>We have been laboring too long under an economic paradigm that suggests that selfishness is the only real human drive, when its opposite also compels us, biologically and philosophically, as human beings.</p>
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		<title>By: Clifford J. Wirth, Ph.D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Clifford J. Wirth, Ph.D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 03:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Global crude oil production peaked in 2008.

The media, governments, world leaders, and public should focus on this issue.

Global crude oil production had been rising briskly until 2004, then plateaued for four years. Because oil producers were extracting at maximum effort to profit from high oil prices, this plateau is a clear indication of Peak Oil.

Then in August and September of 2008 while oil prices were still very high, global crude oil production fell nearly one million barrels per day, clear evidence of Peak Oil (See Rembrandt Koppelaar, Editor of &quot;Oil Watch Monthly,&quot; December 2008, page 1) http://www.peakoil.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/2008_december_oilwatch_monthly.pdf. 
	
Peak Oil is now.

Credit for accurate Peak Oil predictions (within a few years) goes to the following (projected year for peak given in parentheses):

* Association for the Study of Peak Oil (2007)

* Rembrandt Koppelaar, Editor of “Oil Watch Monthly” (2008)

* Tony Eriksen, Oil stock analyst; Samuel Foucher, oil analyst; and Stuart Staniford, Physicist [Wikipedia Oil Megaprojects] (2008)

* Matthew Simmons, Energy investment banker, (2007)

* T. Boone Pickens, Oil and gas investor (2007)

* U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (2005)

* Kenneth S. Deffeyes, Princeton professor and retired shell geologist (2005)

* Sam Sam Bakhtiari, Retired Iranian National Oil Company geologist (2005)

* Chris Skrebowski, Editor of “Petroleum Review” (2010)

* Sadad Al Husseini, former head of production and exploration, Saudi Aramco (2008)

* Energy Watch Group in Germany (2006)

* Fredrik Robelius, Oil analyst and author of &quot;Giant Oil Fields&quot; (2008 to 2018)

Oil production will now begin to decline terminally.

 Within a year or two, it is likely that oil prices will skyrocket as supply falls below demand. OPEC cuts could exacerbate the gap between supply and demand and drive prices even higher.

Independent studies indicate that global crude oil production will now decline from 74 million barrels per day to 60 million barrels per day by 2015. During the same time, demand will increase. Oil supplies will be even tighter for the U.S. As oil producing nations consume more and more oil domestically they will export less and less. Because demand is high in China, India, the Middle East, and other oil producing nations, once global oil production begins to decline, demand will always be higher than supply. And since the U.S. represents one fourth of global oil demand, whatever oil we conserve will be consumed elsewhere. Thus, conservation in the U.S. will not slow oil depletion rates significantly.

Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. There is no plan nor capital for a so-called electric economy. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment. The independent scientists of the Energy Watch Group conclude in a 2007 report titled: “Peak Oil Could Trigger Meltdown of Society:”

&quot;By 2020, and even more by 2030, global oil supply will be dramatically lower. This will create a supply gap which can hardly be closed by growing contributions from other fossil, nuclear or alternative energy sources in this time frame.&quot; 

With increasing costs for gasoline and diesel, along with declining taxes and declining gasoline tax revenues, states and local governments will eventually have to cut staff and curtail highway maintenance. Eventually, gasoline stations will close, and state and local highway workers won’t be able to get to work. We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel and gasoline powered trucks for bridge maintenance, culvert cleaning to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, and roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, large transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables from great distances. With the highways out, there will be no food coming from far away, and without the power grid virtually nothing modern works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated building systems. 

Documented here: 
http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html
http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Global crude oil production peaked in 2008.</p>
<p>The media, governments, world leaders, and public should focus on this issue.</p>
<p>Global crude oil production had been rising briskly until 2004, then plateaued for four years. Because oil producers were extracting at maximum effort to profit from high oil prices, this plateau is a clear indication of Peak Oil.</p>
<p>Then in August and September of 2008 while oil prices were still very high, global crude oil production fell nearly one million barrels per day, clear evidence of Peak Oil (See Rembrandt Koppelaar, Editor of &#8220;Oil Watch Monthly,&#8221; December 2008, page 1) <a href="http://www.peakoil.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/2008_december_oilwatch_monthly.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.peakoil.nl/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/2008_december_oilwatch_monthly.pdf</a>. </p>
<p>Peak Oil is now.</p>
<p>Credit for accurate Peak Oil predictions (within a few years) goes to the following (projected year for peak given in parentheses):</p>
<p>* Association for the Study of Peak Oil (2007)</p>
<p>* Rembrandt Koppelaar, Editor of “Oil Watch Monthly” (2008)</p>
<p>* Tony Eriksen, Oil stock analyst; Samuel Foucher, oil analyst; and Stuart Staniford, Physicist [Wikipedia Oil Megaprojects] (2008)</p>
<p>* Matthew Simmons, Energy investment banker, (2007)</p>
<p>* T. Boone Pickens, Oil and gas investor (2007)</p>
<p>* U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (2005)</p>
<p>* Kenneth S. Deffeyes, Princeton professor and retired shell geologist (2005)</p>
<p>* Sam Sam Bakhtiari, Retired Iranian National Oil Company geologist (2005)</p>
<p>* Chris Skrebowski, Editor of “Petroleum Review” (2010)</p>
<p>* Sadad Al Husseini, former head of production and exploration, Saudi Aramco (2008)</p>
<p>* Energy Watch Group in Germany (2006)</p>
<p>* Fredrik Robelius, Oil analyst and author of &#8220;Giant Oil Fields&#8221; (2008 to 2018)</p>
<p>Oil production will now begin to decline terminally.</p>
<p> Within a year or two, it is likely that oil prices will skyrocket as supply falls below demand. OPEC cuts could exacerbate the gap between supply and demand and drive prices even higher.</p>
<p>Independent studies indicate that global crude oil production will now decline from 74 million barrels per day to 60 million barrels per day by 2015. During the same time, demand will increase. Oil supplies will be even tighter for the U.S. As oil producing nations consume more and more oil domestically they will export less and less. Because demand is high in China, India, the Middle East, and other oil producing nations, once global oil production begins to decline, demand will always be higher than supply. And since the U.S. represents one fourth of global oil demand, whatever oil we conserve will be consumed elsewhere. Thus, conservation in the U.S. will not slow oil depletion rates significantly.</p>
<p>Alternatives will not even begin to fill the gap. There is no plan nor capital for a so-called electric economy. And most alternatives yield electric power, but we need liquid fuels for tractors/combines, 18 wheel trucks, trains, ships, and mining equipment. The independent scientists of the Energy Watch Group conclude in a 2007 report titled: “Peak Oil Could Trigger Meltdown of Society:”</p>
<p>&#8220;By 2020, and even more by 2030, global oil supply will be dramatically lower. This will create a supply gap which can hardly be closed by growing contributions from other fossil, nuclear or alternative energy sources in this time frame.&#8221; </p>
<p>With increasing costs for gasoline and diesel, along with declining taxes and declining gasoline tax revenues, states and local governments will eventually have to cut staff and curtail highway maintenance. Eventually, gasoline stations will close, and state and local highway workers won’t be able to get to work. We are facing the collapse of the highways that depend on diesel and gasoline powered trucks for bridge maintenance, culvert cleaning to avoid road washouts, snow plowing, and roadbed and surface repair. When the highways fail, so will the power grid, as highways carry the parts, large transformers, steel for pylons, and high tension cables from great distances. With the highways out, there will be no food coming from far away, and without the power grid virtually nothing modern works, including home heating, pumping of gasoline and diesel, airports, communications, and automated building systems. </p>
<p>Documented here:<br />
<a href="http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.peakoilassociates.com/POAnalysis.html</a><br />
<a href="http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://survivingpeakoil.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Alex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 22:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is a wonderful essay and very very relevant to the situation the world is in today. (well, democracy is always relevant!)

thank you so much for writing!  i think the &#039;common sense&#039; politics you espouse are exactly where to begin.  opposing capitalism doesn&#039;t mean having some kind of wacky viewpoint or strict theory, it comes from our experience as human beings, living in an inhuman and destructive society.  likewise our vision of a future sustainable society must be based on our common values of democracy, justice, and freedom.

i&#039;m reposting this wonderful article on my website, http://endofcapitalism.com

please let me know if i should credit you differently.

thanks!

alex
philadelphia students for a democratic society</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a wonderful essay and very very relevant to the situation the world is in today. (well, democracy is always relevant!)</p>
<p>thank you so much for writing!  i think the &#8216;common sense&#8217; politics you espouse are exactly where to begin.  opposing capitalism doesn&#8217;t mean having some kind of wacky viewpoint or strict theory, it comes from our experience as human beings, living in an inhuman and destructive society.  likewise our vision of a future sustainable society must be based on our common values of democracy, justice, and freedom.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m reposting this wonderful article on my website, <a href="http://endofcapitalism.com" rel="nofollow">http://endofcapitalism.com</a></p>
<p>please let me know if i should credit you differently.</p>
<p>thanks!</p>
<p>alex<br />
philadelphia students for a democratic society</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Stowasser</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2009/02/06/building-the-sustainable-economy/comment-page-1/#comment-29424</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary Stowasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Feb 2009 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;In Bhutan the national policy is focused not on GDP but on GNH - Gross National Happiness.&quot;

I love that, GNH. now that&#039;s something to strive for!

Next post and debate: what IS happiness?

on a side/related note, I finished paul stamet&#039;s book on mushrooms and a paragraph in the book sparked my curiosity and formed this rant on how us humans fit in to the world? are we to be destructive or repairative? I find geoff&#039;s words of inspiration hopeful - that we can be the most repairative function on the planet - if we chose to.

My rant is here on my blog - http://infopatriots.blogspot.com/2009/02/mushrooms-and-our-purpose-in-life.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In Bhutan the national policy is focused not on GDP but on GNH &#8211; Gross National Happiness.&#8221;</p>
<p>I love that, GNH. now that&#8217;s something to strive for!</p>
<p>Next post and debate: what IS happiness?</p>
<p>on a side/related note, I finished paul stamet&#8217;s book on mushrooms and a paragraph in the book sparked my curiosity and formed this rant on how us humans fit in to the world? are we to be destructive or repairative? I find geoff&#8217;s words of inspiration hopeful &#8211; that we can be the most repairative function on the planet &#8211; if we chose to.</p>
<p>My rant is here on my blog &#8211; <a href="http://infopatriots.blogspot.com/2009/02/mushrooms-and-our-purpose-in-life.html" rel="nofollow">http://infopatriots.blogspot.com/2009/02/mushrooms-and-our-purpose-in-life.html</a></p>
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