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	<title>Comments on: How the West was Lost</title>
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		<title>By: Craig Mackintosh</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/21/how-the-west-was-lost/#comment-26847</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Mackintosh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 16:03:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Sandra

Head &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/18/humanure-handbook-free-download/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

Hi Marc - Chris&#039; site is down this weekend for a server move I believe. You can watch them here though:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://development.theendofmoney.com/three_beliefs&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://development.theendofmoney.com/three_beliefs&lt;/a&gt;

After watching the first one, click on the next chapter via link at top. It will fail, but then just replace the http://www.chrismartenson.com part of the address with: http://development.theendofmoney.com/ and it&#039;ll work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Sandra</p>
<p>Head <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/18/humanure-handbook-free-download/" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>Hi Marc &#8211; Chris&#8217; site is down this weekend for a server move I believe. You can watch them here though:</p>
<p><a href="http://development.theendofmoney.com/three_beliefs" rel="nofollow">http://development.theendofmoney.com/three_beliefs</a></p>
<p>After watching the first one, click on the next chapter via link at top. It will fail, but then just replace the <a href="http://www.chrismartenson.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.chrismartenson.com</a> part of the address with: <a href="http://development.theendofmoney.com/" rel="nofollow">http://development.theendofmoney.com/</a> and it&#8217;ll work.</p>
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		<title>By: sandra yaniv</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/21/how-the-west-was-lost/#comment-26845</link>
		<dc:creator>sandra yaniv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 13:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How do I acquire the book &quot;Humanure by Jenkins?
Thanks
Sandra</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How do I acquire the book &#8220;Humanure by Jenkins?<br />
Thanks<br />
Sandra</p>
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		<title>By: marc roberts</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/21/how-the-west-was-lost/#comment-26810</link>
		<dc:creator>marc roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 01:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The links to Chris Martenson seem to be down or curiously protected. Looks very interesting so I&#039;ll keep trying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The links to Chris Martenson seem to be down or curiously protected. Looks very interesting so I&#8217;ll keep trying.</p>
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		<title>By: Geoff Lawton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geoff Lawton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Sep 2008 00:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Zachary
                        You need to cut the grass very low and water it well then cover it with black plastic or even better roofing iron painted mat black and leave it long enough to completely burn all the tops of the grass and just below the surface.  The best thing to do then is to tractor a densely stocked large breed of chickens over the ground in a movable chicken tractor and they will dig up a large proportion of the roots and eat all seeds present.  The chickens will also heavily manure the ground which is very important component to assist in burning the remaining roots (extra manure can be added) under either a very deep sheet mulch paper or cardboard (one ton to 200m2) then very deep organic mulch (one bale of straw to 1.3M2) then a VERY dense planting of a vigorous fast growing perennial ground cover if you intend to use the area for growing trees, planted through the mulch and spiked through the sheet mulch into the soil.  If want to grow a vegetable garden or herbaceous plants in the area then instead of laying down the sheet mulch sow a VERY dense seeding at 4 or 5 times the recommended density of leguminous cover crop seed onto the raked ground and then cover this with a very thin scatter mulch that only just cover the soil surface (one bale of straw to 40M2) and start gardening once the cover crop is in full flower, by cutting the dense cover crop for mulch and not pulling out the roots but leaving them in position to rot in the soil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Zachary<br />
                        You need to cut the grass very low and water it well then cover it with black plastic or even better roofing iron painted mat black and leave it long enough to completely burn all the tops of the grass and just below the surface.  The best thing to do then is to tractor a densely stocked large breed of chickens over the ground in a movable chicken tractor and they will dig up a large proportion of the roots and eat all seeds present.  The chickens will also heavily manure the ground which is very important component to assist in burning the remaining roots (extra manure can be added) under either a very deep sheet mulch paper or cardboard (one ton to 200m2) then very deep organic mulch (one bale of straw to 1.3M2) then a VERY dense planting of a vigorous fast growing perennial ground cover if you intend to use the area for growing trees, planted through the mulch and spiked through the sheet mulch into the soil.  If want to grow a vegetable garden or herbaceous plants in the area then instead of laying down the sheet mulch sow a VERY dense seeding at 4 or 5 times the recommended density of leguminous cover crop seed onto the raked ground and then cover this with a very thin scatter mulch that only just cover the soil surface (one bale of straw to 40M2) and start gardening once the cover crop is in full flower, by cutting the dense cover crop for mulch and not pulling out the roots but leaving them in position to rot in the soil.</p>
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		<title>By: Zachary Stowasser</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/09/21/how-the-west-was-lost/#comment-26687</link>
		<dc:creator>Zachary Stowasser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 05:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig - thanks for all the great posts. Like you, I had the privledge to research over the past few years and I have come to the same conclusions.  This crash course video is very well put together and I sent it out to my email list and posted it to my blog.  Much respect!

There is little time and much work to do!  I am working for free to create food forests in my community.  I just bought about 10 rare trees/shrubs/vines from a california rare fruit grower - including a perennial vine that makes a squash and a papaya that will grow here in california!

Its been hard but satisfying work tearing out crab-grass (bermuda grass) - if you know of a permaculture technique let me know.  I was assuming that it was so vigorous that it would grow up through any sheet mulching..  Any advice is greatly appreciated.  Much love and respect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig &#8211; thanks for all the great posts. Like you, I had the privledge to research over the past few years and I have come to the same conclusions.  This crash course video is very well put together and I sent it out to my email list and posted it to my blog.  Much respect!</p>
<p>There is little time and much work to do!  I am working for free to create food forests in my community.  I just bought about 10 rare trees/shrubs/vines from a california rare fruit grower &#8211; including a perennial vine that makes a squash and a papaya that will grow here in california!</p>
<p>Its been hard but satisfying work tearing out crab-grass (bermuda grass) &#8211; if you know of a permaculture technique let me know.  I was assuming that it was so vigorous that it would grow up through any sheet mulching..  Any advice is greatly appreciated.  Much love and respect.</p>
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