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	<title>Comments on: Peak Oil, Petrodollars and Climate Change Apathy</title>
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		<title>By: Paul Dore</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/25/peak-oil-petrodollars-and-climate-change-apathy/#comment-49872</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Dore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 11:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To John.
I&#039;m sorry to hear the frustration you are experiencing. Being at the mercy of the wheeling and dealing of big banks obviously consumes the lives of so many people. Meeting the bank repayments keeps people poor. Struggling from sunrise to sunset, sometime both parents, just to keep food on the table. The unfortunate thing is that when and if this happens, it could catch a lot of people, organisations and businesses, and social services by surprise. To quote &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2009/01/14/the-crash-course/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Chris Martenson&lt;/a&gt;, once you turn the corner on a hockey stick shaped graph, time runs very short. A balanced and very well presented paper on exponential growth that addresses the issue of peak oil &lt;a href=&quot;http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/03/the-mathematics-that-contemporary-economics-ignores/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;can be viewed&lt;/a&gt; on you tube. The presenter&#039;s name is Dr. Albert Bartlett. It&#039;d not be an exaggeration to say that this 1 hour could spark a long term lifestyle change in people.

My sincere wish is for you is for all the strength, luck and community support you and your family need to overcome the adversity you meet. I believe it is community that will build a better future for our children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To John.<br />
I&#8217;m sorry to hear the frustration you are experiencing. Being at the mercy of the wheeling and dealing of big banks obviously consumes the lives of so many people. Meeting the bank repayments keeps people poor. Struggling from sunrise to sunset, sometime both parents, just to keep food on the table. The unfortunate thing is that when and if this happens, it could catch a lot of people, organisations and businesses, and social services by surprise. To quote <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2009/01/14/the-crash-course/" rel="nofollow">Chris Martenson</a>, once you turn the corner on a hockey stick shaped graph, time runs very short. A balanced and very well presented paper on exponential growth that addresses the issue of peak oil <a href="http://permaculture.org.au/2009/11/03/the-mathematics-that-contemporary-economics-ignores/" rel="nofollow">can be viewed</a> on you tube. The presenter&#8217;s name is Dr. Albert Bartlett. It&#8217;d not be an exaggeration to say that this 1 hour could spark a long term lifestyle change in people.</p>
<p>My sincere wish is for you is for all the strength, luck and community support you and your family need to overcome the adversity you meet. I believe it is community that will build a better future for our children.</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/25/peak-oil-petrodollars-and-climate-change-apathy/#comment-37926</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 17:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We might run out of oil one day. Woopdy doo. I&#039;m more concerned about making my mortgage payments. When and if this ever happens I might be interested. Untill then don&#039;t waste my time. As far as permaculture is concerned why should I be interested? What do I have to gain? Sounds like I might become really poor if I give up my job and will have to work from sunrise to sun set to put food on the table. Thanks but no thanks. You have already lost my attention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We might run out of oil one day. Woopdy doo. I&#8217;m more concerned about making my mortgage payments. When and if this ever happens I might be interested. Untill then don&#8217;t waste my time. As far as permaculture is concerned why should I be interested? What do I have to gain? Sounds like I might become really poor if I give up my job and will have to work from sunrise to sun set to put food on the table. Thanks but no thanks. You have already lost my attention.</p>
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		<title>By: gameon</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/25/peak-oil-petrodollars-and-climate-change-apathy/#comment-37910</link>
		<dc:creator>gameon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 05:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>very intresting
you may also be intrested in these things.
john harris on youtube
zeitgeist on youtube
tpuc.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>very intresting<br />
you may also be intrested in these things.<br />
john harris on youtube<br />
zeitgeist on youtube<br />
tpuc.org</p>
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		<title>By: Cymon Fjell</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/25/peak-oil-petrodollars-and-climate-change-apathy/#comment-26515</link>
		<dc:creator>Cymon Fjell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello,

More fear and worrying.

Instead of wringing out every finger pointing oportunity and demotivator to positive change and replacing it with anger perhaps it might be worth looking at what is happening in clean tech right now . . . start with a Google on Terra Preta soils, Agri char and pyrolyisation.

My concern is that with current industrial carbon sequestration processes coming out of R7D that we will over shoot carbon reduction over the next thirty years to the extent that we will find ourselves having to regulate the minimum atmospheric carbon in the atmosphere to enable enough to be available to maintain trees. 

Regards, 
Cymon Fjell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p>
<p>More fear and worrying.</p>
<p>Instead of wringing out every finger pointing oportunity and demotivator to positive change and replacing it with anger perhaps it might be worth looking at what is happening in clean tech right now . . . start with a Google on Terra Preta soils, Agri char and pyrolyisation.</p>
<p>My concern is that with current industrial carbon sequestration processes coming out of R7D that we will over shoot carbon reduction over the next thirty years to the extent that we will find ourselves having to regulate the minimum atmospheric carbon in the atmosphere to enable enough to be available to maintain trees. </p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Cymon Fjell</p>
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		<title>By: Heuristics</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/25/peak-oil-petrodollars-and-climate-change-apathy/#comment-26111</link>
		<dc:creator>Heuristics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:45:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Forget conspiracy &quot;theories&quot;. There is nothing &quot;theoretical&quot; about policy that has documented and implemented and can be sourced, verified and observed. 
This is a &quot;must read&quot; book if you want to really know what has been happening at a geo-political level for the last 50 years.
You need to read this book so you can &quot;read&quot; the headlines of present and future wars and skirmishes. We all know what we are told in the MSM is utter tosh. 
Read this bok and be wise to what is really happening.

Unfortunately, while this is an excellent piece of research and a seminal text, it is poorly written. It repeats itself too much and labors the point. But read it anyway.

I am so glad that about 4 months ago a knowitall at work dismissed my statement in a discussion about the Iraq war that it was REALLY about Saddam denominating oil in Euros not US dollars.
Knowitall scoffed and I went googling for documentation to back up my claim. I found this book was available - and being broke, I got the local library to get it in. 
It is such a  good text I fear I will have to buy it for my records.

Search old book shops and find a book &quot;The Seven Sisters&quot; about the Big Oil companies. It is an old book, out of print, but a must-have.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forget conspiracy &#8220;theories&#8221;. There is nothing &#8220;theoretical&#8221; about policy that has documented and implemented and can be sourced, verified and observed.<br />
This is a &#8220;must read&#8221; book if you want to really know what has been happening at a geo-political level for the last 50 years.<br />
You need to read this book so you can &#8220;read&#8221; the headlines of present and future wars and skirmishes. We all know what we are told in the MSM is utter tosh.<br />
Read this bok and be wise to what is really happening.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, while this is an excellent piece of research and a seminal text, it is poorly written. It repeats itself too much and labors the point. But read it anyway.</p>
<p>I am so glad that about 4 months ago a knowitall at work dismissed my statement in a discussion about the Iraq war that it was REALLY about Saddam denominating oil in Euros not US dollars.<br />
Knowitall scoffed and I went googling for documentation to back up my claim. I found this book was available &#8211; and being broke, I got the local library to get it in.<br />
It is such a  good text I fear I will have to buy it for my records.</p>
<p>Search old book shops and find a book &#8220;The Seven Sisters&#8221; about the Big Oil companies. It is an old book, out of print, but a must-have.</p>
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		<title>By: Heuristics</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/25/peak-oil-petrodollars-and-climate-change-apathy/#comment-26048</link>
		<dc:creator>Heuristics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have JUST been told my local library has ordered this one if for me. Am looking forward to reading it IMMEDIATELY. 
I am reading Blackwater USA right now (also ordered in by my local library). It has a brilliant chapter explaining WHY Russia is butting heads with Georgia right now. As soon as the news reports hit the airways I knew it was about the oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea. The US have been meddling round those parts BIG TIME sincee the break up of the USSR. Dick Cheney visited the area 8 times in one year. 
Another one to read is &quot;The Grand Chessboard&quot;. This Eur-asian area will be the next hot-spot for a few more decades. The area has the eqivalent reserves of the North Sea. Peak Oil is still here, but the US is busy delaying the inevitable by mopping up the reserves in this area.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have JUST been told my local library has ordered this one if for me. Am looking forward to reading it IMMEDIATELY.<br />
I am reading Blackwater USA right now (also ordered in by my local library). It has a brilliant chapter explaining WHY Russia is butting heads with Georgia right now. As soon as the news reports hit the airways I knew it was about the oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea. The US have been meddling round those parts BIG TIME sincee the break up of the USSR. Dick Cheney visited the area 8 times in one year.<br />
Another one to read is &#8220;The Grand Chessboard&#8221;. This Eur-asian area will be the next hot-spot for a few more decades. The area has the eqivalent reserves of the North Sea. Peak Oil is still here, but the US is busy delaying the inevitable by mopping up the reserves in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Laurin Threatt</title>
		<link>http://permaculture.org.au/2008/08/25/peak-oil-petrodollars-and-climate-change-apathy/#comment-26025</link>
		<dc:creator>Laurin Threatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been convinced from the very beginning that this whole war was about OIL! I have tried to talk to friends and even family about this, but no one wants to hear it. We have sat around with bags over our heads refusing to face the reality of what we have allowed our government to do. I want to know where the thinkers and doers are! I was part of the 60s and 70s marches, sit-ins, and protests. I realize that so many of the people who participated in these events became successful and lazy about staying on top of events. So many of the people I knew back then have become like the three monkeys: hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing... and added to it DO NOTHING! We have sat by while the present administration has thumbed its nose at the citizens and at the very foundation of our government, The Constitution. The leaders have even openly stated that they are above the law! And still we sit and do nothing! We blindly watch controlled news media feed us vanilla pudding type news: no real content, just bland, non-instigating, non-informative junk. Calling our evening news programs World News is a joke. I watch the BBC news at night in order to get real world news. We have become a nation of fat, greedy, complacent, prideless sheep. What can be done to turn this around? I used to raise sheep, and to be sure that they didn&#039;t get into real trouble, we used to put a goat in with the flock. The goat was smarter and more agressive, and would lead the sheep out of danger. We also kept a donkey with the sheep to agressively fight whatever came after the sheep. We need a cross between a goat and a donkey to get us out of this mess! We need someone who will stand up to big oil and big business and the big bankers and say &quot;Hell NO!&quot; If we don&#039;t start thinking for ourselves again and stop being led around by the nose(actually the hose, the gas hose, that is), we are going to be even further in more massive debt, so much so that our great, great grand children won&#039;t be able to pay it off. Thank you for this very informative program. I am sending it to everyone I know. Most of them won&#039;t read it, or if they do, they won&#039;t believe it, but if only a few do, maybe we can get some action started to save ourselves and our country and its economy and its ecology! I look forward to reading and hearing more from you. I also find it interesting that it took a British reporter to put the facts before us. Whatever happened to the news reporters who would publish and be damned, who used to put the screws to government and big business to keep them straight? There were a few, but they have died out, and the new generation has capitulated! Thank you for standing up. Laurin Threatt</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been convinced from the very beginning that this whole war was about OIL! I have tried to talk to friends and even family about this, but no one wants to hear it. We have sat around with bags over our heads refusing to face the reality of what we have allowed our government to do. I want to know where the thinkers and doers are! I was part of the 60s and 70s marches, sit-ins, and protests. I realize that so many of the people who participated in these events became successful and lazy about staying on top of events. So many of the people I knew back then have become like the three monkeys: hear nothing, see nothing, say nothing&#8230; and added to it DO NOTHING! We have sat by while the present administration has thumbed its nose at the citizens and at the very foundation of our government, The Constitution. The leaders have even openly stated that they are above the law! And still we sit and do nothing! We blindly watch controlled news media feed us vanilla pudding type news: no real content, just bland, non-instigating, non-informative junk. Calling our evening news programs World News is a joke. I watch the BBC news at night in order to get real world news. We have become a nation of fat, greedy, complacent, prideless sheep. What can be done to turn this around? I used to raise sheep, and to be sure that they didn&#8217;t get into real trouble, we used to put a goat in with the flock. The goat was smarter and more agressive, and would lead the sheep out of danger. We also kept a donkey with the sheep to agressively fight whatever came after the sheep. We need a cross between a goat and a donkey to get us out of this mess! We need someone who will stand up to big oil and big business and the big bankers and say &#8220;Hell NO!&#8221; If we don&#8217;t start thinking for ourselves again and stop being led around by the nose(actually the hose, the gas hose, that is), we are going to be even further in more massive debt, so much so that our great, great grand children won&#8217;t be able to pay it off. Thank you for this very informative program. I am sending it to everyone I know. Most of them won&#8217;t read it, or if they do, they won&#8217;t believe it, but if only a few do, maybe we can get some action started to save ourselves and our country and its economy and its ecology! I look forward to reading and hearing more from you. I also find it interesting that it took a British reporter to put the facts before us. Whatever happened to the news reporters who would publish and be damned, who used to put the screws to government and big business to keep them straight? There were a few, but they have died out, and the new generation has capitulated! Thank you for standing up. Laurin Threatt</p>
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